New Delhi: Delhi Police Commissioner BS Bassi on Thursday denied that Jawaharlal Nehru University(JNU) Student's Union President Kanhaiya Kumar was assaulted in Patiala House Court.
"Deny that Kahaniya was assaulted, my officers are denying this, medical examination has been done," the Commissioner said.
In an exclusive interview to CNN-IBN, Bassi said Kanhaiya is guilty of sedition and the police have enough material to prove that he has violated the law.
Asserting his stand, he said, "Free speech does not mean you can violate the provisions of the constitution."
Following is the transcription of the interview:
Bhupendra Chaubey: What is your take on events. what has happened at the Patiala House Court?
BS Bassi: You will have to see the events of what happened in JNU on February 9. As you know that certain group of students where they wanted to orghanise an event where they would have involved in seditious activities. They sought permission in the name of a cultural event but permission was accorded by the JNu authorities.
After the information was given to the JNU authorities that the intentions were not good, thereafter the permission was withdrawn. Notwithstanding the withdrawal of permission by JNU authorities, that particular group of students organised a gathering at Sabarmati Dhaba where anti-national speeches were made and slogans were raised. This matter came to the notice of other groups in JNU as well as the administration. A group of ABVP came to the spot and they started opposing the utterances which were seditious in nature. The JNU authorities also intervened. They kept the two groups at bay by deploying their own security personnel. when the things became slightly difficult for them to handle, they invited the Delhi Police.
Delhi Police personnel went there and took position and the two groups were kept at bay. Then a particular group of students led by a number of persons whose names are in public domain. They walked from Sabarmati dhaba to Ganga dhaba and the gathering during the procession too shouted slogans which were seditious in nature.
Bhupendra Chaubey: So you are clear that this was a case of sedition?
BS Bassi: If you read Section 124 A and also if you go through the Constitutional history of independent India, the issue of sedition had agitated the minds of legal system even in the year immediately after independence. That is why, it was felt necessary to make amendments and by first amendment that concept of reasonable restriction was introduced in the Constitution.
In 1962, the SC went into the issue and it declared Section 124 A Constitutional. It was a 7-judge bench team, if I'm not wrong. And the 7-bench constitutional bench declared the section valid and within the domain of the the Indian Constitution. Within the domain of this constitution, activities which bring hatred or contempt towards the lawfully established government of India but also activities which have a tendency to bring in contempt, or which have a tendency to bring hatred to the the lawfully established government are covered.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You are saying activities which can generate hatred towards a lawfully elected government, according to the Delhi Police Commissioner is an act of sedition.
BS Bassi: It is an act of sedition
Bhupendra Chaubey: Therefore, in other words, If I were to question the Central government, I could be held for sedition?
BS Bassi: No. If you criticise the government, disagreeing with the government within the framework of the Constitution is one thing, if your free speech can't transgress the reasonable restrictions which have been provided in Article 19 (2) of the Constitution. Even if you are critical, you need to be in the domain of the Constitution.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Since we are talking about sedition, I was going through the report which was filed by your force. As a part of that report, your force believes that the reason why these students should be held guilty of sedition is because they were consuming beef. According to your force, they had put up objectionable pictures of deities and they affixing them on the wall to hurt sentiments. They have mourned the death of Afzal Guru, they have celebrated the death of CRPF personnel in Dantewada. Now surely sir, eating beef is not a case of sedition.
BS Bassi: This is not a report that we have filed in the court. I have not seen the report that you are referring to. Moreover, whatever report we file, with other quarters in the government, they are not meant for public consumption.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You are saying the JNUSU President is indeed guilty of sedition?
BS Bassi: We are talking of an incident. We are not talking of what they have been doing in the past. When we are talking of this case under Section 124 A, we are talking of this particular incident that took place on Feb 9 at JNU. Whatever happened on that day is seditious in nature. the utterances like " Bharat ki barbaadi tak, jang rahegi, jang rahegi aur kashmir ki azaadi tak, jang rahegi jang rahegi". These are within the domain of Section 124 A.
Bhupendra Chaubey: By that logic half of Kashmir's population should be held guilty. They should be liable for sedition
BS Bassi: I'm concerned about Delhi. I'm a police officer, I'm responsible for maintenance of law and order and prevention and detention of crimes within Delhi. If any activity occurs in Delhi, which transgresses the domain of the Indian Penal Code, where I have the authority to enforce that particular law, I'm going to take action.
Bhupendra Chaubey: So if at Jantar Mantar, a protest was to be organised, which has been organised several times in the past. I can point out specific incidents for you. This is not the first time that anti-India slogans are being raised or pro-Kashmir slogans are being raised
BS Bassi: A person may entertain certain ideas, as long as those ideas are not articulated in a manner in which they become seditious, we do not come into picture.
Bhupendra Chaubey: So you are very clear JNUSU president Kanhaiya Kumar is guilty of sedition?
BS Bassi: He is guilty of sedition we have sufficient material to prove the charges of sedition. That is why when we produced him before the court, and we produced the material available, on the basis of the material available, the learned court remanded three days police custody. Thereafter, when we again produced him before the learned court, once again they remanded two days police custody. So obviously when the learned court, exercises its restriction to order police custody, it is not exercised in vacuum . It is exercised after due consideration out of material which police has been able to gather and which police is able to produce at the time of seeking his remand.
Bhupendra Chaubey: And your material, which I have gone through, there was a video clip that was given to you by Zee news, and is that the reason why you decided to investigate the entire case?
BS Bassi: I will not go into the evidence which I have got because when i file a chargesheet, it will become a part of the open court proceeding. Till that time, I will not discuss the evidence that I have got.
Bhupendra Chaubey: The Law Minister of the country has gone on record to say that he doesn't know whether sedition is applicable in this particular case or not. May be he is not aware of the evidence that you have got.
BS Bassi: He is not aware of the investigation and I do not expect the Law Minister to know about it. The investigation is a prerogative of the Investigating officer, and his supervising officers. I can assure you that we have got adequate evidence to charge Kanhaiya with sedition.
Bhupendra Chaubey:And you say that this report that I'm quoting that Mahishasur was being worshipped, beef was being consumed, and this became the reason of a sedition case to be built, you are distancing itself from it?
BS Bassi:I'm not going to comment which have not been officially provided to you.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Is this report in existence?
BS Bassi:Has this report been provided to you officially?
Bhupendra Chaubey: No I have also taken it from the media, I have also taken it from the newspapers.
BS Bassi: Using them from media, you can draw your own inferences. I will not comment on a report that has been floating in the media and has not been obtained through official channels.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Let me then ask you to respond to something that is official. These are the three lawyers(Shows newspaper clippings) who are responsible for beating up of journalists not once but twice. They have been all over media as well, opening acknowledging, taking credit for indulging in violence. According to Mr Bassi, what should be done to these individuals.
BS Bassi: You are referring to the incidents that took place on February 15. When our officers returned from the spot, they registered two cases. One was regarding the alleged assault of journalists by lawyers. And the second incident was registered in respect of assault of civilians by other civilians. Those two cases were registered. initial investigation was carried out.
Bhupendra Chaubey: That civilian was Mr OP Sharma, let's name them. He happens to be a BJP MLA. Why are you shying away from naming it. If one civilian attacks another civilian I am wondering is there any other case that has happened?
BS Bassi: If you provide me the opportunity, you will know everything. What do we do, once we register the case we don't sleep over it. We investigate. what do we do in investigation- If you have the name of the accused person then you try to find out whether the accusation are correct or incorrect.
If the person is not named, what do you do. You try to find the accused persons. so in the first case also certain individuals were identified who were lawyers. In the second case also Mr OP Sharma was identified by the investigating officers. Thereafter the concerned lawyers were issued summons by the investigating officers. they were supposed to appear on 17th ie yesterday. Similarly Mr OP Sharma was issued summon to appear today at 11 o'clock. In my understanding I am not fully aware of the facts. I am told he reached Police station Tilak Nagar and he is being questioned by the investigating officers.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Now I find it...
BS Bassi: Kindly, Kindly listen. Because the layers did not appear yesterday they have again being summoned. To my knowledge they have again being summoned by the investigating officers. You see, we expect all citizens including lawyers to coperate with investigating officers when they are summoned because when an investigating officer summons a person, he summons the person under the authority of law.
Bhupendra Chaubey: May I ask this. I haven't interrupted you so far...
BS Bassi:Now, Now. If they co-operate with us we see what action has to be taken under the law. If they don't co-operate we examine other options, most probably move the court to issue an arrest warrant.
Bhupendra Chaubey: 16 February was the first day when it happened and it takes the entire national media of the country..this is is the clipping I have got from Indian express..I have got various clipping from times of India all papers. Every media house in the country can find out who these three people...their bio-data, their addresses- everything is known to the media. But to the Delhi Police which went to the extent of filing FIR against JNU students on the basis of a media clipping...everything captured on Television camera is not good enough for Mr Bassi here. It is applicable in the case of JNU students but it is not applicable in the case here. You won't be helt guilty for double standards?
BS Bassi:No,No,No..This is not double standards. I will explain. you see when the media has to report an event or a fact, it has to only report. You may have your own internal guidelines of verification-reverification or no verification in various situations. But when I act, I don't act in vacuum, I act as per law of the land. I follow the procedures prescribed by the law of the land.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Fair enough.
BS Bassi: If I have to mention...If I have to say that I am arresting X I have to follow the processes which are prescribed by the...by the..by the criminal procedure code, by the various legislations which are relevant in a situation.
Bhupendra Chaubey: My only point is that you picked up the JNUSU President on the basis of a media clipping. Why is that applicable for you and this is not applicable for you.
BS Bassi: You will agree he is not the only person wanted in the JNU incident. There are many more who are wanted and we have not been able to arrest anyone after Kanhaiya.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Mr OP Sharma can be arrested? Can he be arrested?
BS Bassi: Let me complete first. So in this case when we identified these three lawyers and issued summon to them on 16th. A very little time was given to them to appear before police i.e. if you appear before the investigating officers on 17. they have not appeared and they have again been summoned on 18th. If they don't appear again, then we will examine our options. Should we summon the again or should we move the court for issue of a warrant. And you know why I am summoning- you see law of the land. As per the judgement by the honorable Supreme court of India and also provided in the Criminal Procedure code section 41 if the person is wanted for an offence where the punishment is upto seven years, he shall invariable not be arrested.
Bhupendra Chaubey: May I now point out..No you must... you must give me an opportunity...
BS Bassi: Lawyers have committed offences where punishment was less than seven years
Bhupendra Chaubey: You are qualifying that offence. That offence which has been committed...may I just point out...Let me put it this way. You were giving me the definition of sedition. I am repetitively holding this photograph so that my viewers and you know this. this gentleman Mr Varun Tyagi he has go on record today on CNN-IBN and he is saying is desh me jitne bhi anti-national log hai unhe mai ghar me ghus ke marunga. Is that not a case where you should be immediately picking him up. Ab wo clip bhi TV pe chal rahi hai
BS Bassi: Mai aap ko batata hun. we are discussing the case of 15. Now you are coming to the 18. If what he has said once.
Bhupendra Chaubey: this I am saying today. He has gone on record saying that I will go the residence of each and every anti-national element in the country. Mai unhe maar dunga.
BS Bassi: See I will tell you...
Bhupendra Chaubey: Ye threat hai, ye sedition hai, ye kya hai. Aap bata dijiye.
BS Bassi: See as an ordinary citizen you may not like any such statement. As a police officer I don't have to go by my likes and dislikes. I have to go by the law of the land. Now what he has said...I don't want to discuss the legality of the issue for a very simple reason, because if I go into the fine...try to analyze the law...you see every offence has three stages...the first stage is preparation, second is the attempt and the third stage is the act.
If an offense is committed, it is obviously punishable. If an attempt is made, invariably it is punishable. Preparation invariably is not punishable. Preparation is punishable only in certain kind of offenses. So what he is saying...
Bhupendra Chaubey: He is saying whatever. the truth is that he has committed an offense according to me. I will tell you why. Because this is the person responsible for beating up the journalist at the incident which happened yesterday at Patiala House court.
BS Bassi: As an ordinary citizen you may think a person might have committed a crime. But as a student of law I will have to see...
Bhupendra Chaubey: Now you will have to give it to me that I have not interuptted you all through this interview but on this point you are on a weak wicket.
BS Bassi: I am not on a weak wicket...
Bhupendra Chaubey: I will tell you why..
BS Bassi: I am on the strongest wicket...
Bhupendra Chaubey: I will tell you why...On 17 February, I myself was present at Patiala House court. You were not present, I was present. I was witness to what was going on. I was witness to how reporters were beaten up by same bunch of lawyers. this Vikram Chauhan was the person involved in the incident of 15 February and was present at the Patiala House court yesterday. My question to you is this: If a person has been found beating on camera, why hasn't he been and questioned then. And your police force was there and acting as a mute spectator.
BS Bassi: I think you are wrong here.
Bhupendra Chaubey: I was present there...
BS Bassi: You have said all this. That is why he was summoned on 16th. He didn't appear on 17th so he was gain summoned on 18th. If he doesn't appear, I will examine my legal options and take action.
Bhupendra Chaubey: In the meantime he can go on with his activities which is beating up people, threatening, assaulting women journalists.
BS Bassi: I expect every citizen to behave responsibly and I also expect Mr Chauhan to behave responsibly.
Bhupendra Chaubey: the Supreme court of India had to intervene. The SC sent a 5-member delegation to the Patiala House court. Surely, you must be looking this as a hugely embarrassing episode for yourself sir. If the Supreme court, the top court, decides that all is not well at Patiala house court, does it not reflect bad on Mr Bassi?
BS Bassi: See, when the case would been brought in front of honourable Supreme court of India, ceratin facts would have been presented. when certain facts were presented before the honourable Supreme Court of India, the honourable SC felt the need of appointing court commissioners. Courts commissioners have come and seen the situation. As all of us know court commissioners would present their report today and similarly the report of the registrar of the honourable High Court of Delhi will be presented before SC....
Bhupendra Chaubey: The Congress Party wants you to be removed right now. the Congress Party believes that you have ignored your responsibility. your police force is a mute spectator at Patiala House Court is a truth sir.
BS Bassi: There are two parts of your question. the Congress party has demanded certain action against me...If a political party makes a demand I don't have to reply to that... because a political party can make their demand..
Bhupendra Chaubey: But the courts. When the top courts are intervening, would I not say that it is an embarrassment for you.
BS Bassi: Second part, delhi Police was a mute spectator was a totally wrong assertion. I will tell you how.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Please tell me
BS Bassi: See, Kanhaiya was to be produced for the first time on 15th. Adequate arrangements were made. As you know the issue...the incidents of JNU on 9th have created a lot of stir in the society. There are two views. Some people are saying that there should be freedom of speech and expression...unhindered freedom of speech and expression. they are questioning the wisdom of the legislature...which placed reasonable restriction on right of free speech.. and the other group is...which is saying that anyone who indulges in seditious activities...should be sternly dealt with... So this was an emotive issue.
Keeping that controversy in mind adequate arrangements were made at Patiala House court and media as usual had also taken position at Patiala house court because they knew that Mr Kanhaiya would be produced before the court...and because passions were running high there were scuffles...and we intervened and our presence acted as sobering influence...
Bhupendra Chaubey: You call this your presence felt...this is Kanhaiya being taken...You call this your presence...
BS Bassi: No, I am talking about 15th first...When we felt that the situation might turn ugle is when we requested the court to hold the trial elsewhere...and the court did concede..the court accepted our request..and that is how the court was held elsewhere.
Bhupendra Chaubey: This was on 15th. Now what happened on 17th? How it was that in the court itself Kanhaiya gets beaten up?
BS Bassi: On 16th, if you remember, Mr S A R Gelani was produced in the same Patiala House cout. We made adequate security arrangements at the Patialal House court because we were expecting trouble...There was sloganeering at Patiala House court but things passed off peacefully. Mr Gelani was produced. Mr Gelani was remanded to two day police custody. He was taken to the court, he was brought back from the court.
Similarly, when Kanhaiya was to be produced, we made adequate arrangements...passions were still running high...
Bhupendra Chaubey: You call this arrangement...this is arrangement for you...Look at this picture...Look at this picture Sir...
BS Bassi: This happened at 2 in the afternoon...
Bhupendra Chaubey: you call this arrangement? I am sure the Delhi Police commissioner is not telling me that the number of cops in the way and everybody gets the opportunity to slap him...everybody gets an opportunity to push him...
BS Bassi: My officers are denying this...My officers are denying this...
Bhupendra Chaubey: Your officers are denying this I don't know because of what reason...for what clearly visible to everyone...for you to deny this sets off the story...
BS Bassi: This is a matter of enquiry...because my officers are also looking into this...he has made certain allegations...he has als been put through a medical examination...his allegations obviously will have to be seen in context of the...in reference of the injuries on this person... you see the way he has described...
Bhupendra Chaubey: Cops fail to shield kumar from blows..you may dismiss the headline...
BS Bassi: you are reading a headline...I am talking...there are two versions...One version is that he was beaten black and blue throughout. People kicked him, people slapped him, people punched him...he was on the ground etc etc...Cops are saying there was lot of pushing and pulling... in the process they also got some... you know...lot of pushing...but they had formed a ring around Kanhaiya...He was saftely escorted through the crowd...to that place...please listen...and after that..because he had made a complaint...the court ordered a medical examination...He has undergone medical examination...If he has got solid beating throughout I am sure the medical examination will disclose that...If the injury on the person don not suggest in that case you will have to believe my version...
Bhupendra Chaubey: Someone is beaten black and blue. How can any individual say this kind of behaviour in a court of law is my question to you. Whether he was slapped, whether he was pushed, whether he was jostled, I am saying how can the police force be so incompetent?
BS Bassi: You will have to understand what is the situation. See, the Patiala House is a public complex. It is a public office. You have three entry to Patiala House court, litigants can come, lawyers can come, lawyer staff can come, court staff can come, other visitors can also visit Patiala House court. So you have very large number of persons visit Patiala House court. The place is congested. Number of people who generally are present during the court hours at the Patiala House court always are in excess of its optimum capacity. So we had not declared a court holiday on February 17 and only one court was functioning. All courts were functioning. That is how when Kanhaiya came, the police officers who have formed a ring around Kanhaiya. They had to wade through the crowd, you could not have given a totally sterile environment at Patiala House court which is a public place.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Look at this, a female colleague gets beaten up, her phone gets taken away and lawyers threaten her and in the presence of police. The gates get closed all in the presence of police
BS Bassi: That is why we have registered two cases.
Bhupendra Chaubey: By then the damage has been done.
BS Bassi: Damage has been averted. The incident of February 9 at JNU have evoked a lot of emotive reaction. A group of lawyers and fairly substantial number of lawyers had been, who were present at Patiala House court, were indulging in the sloganeering as well as they were in a very volatile mood.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Do you believe that you have dealt with the situation well?
BS Bassi: I believe yes.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You believe that situation on February 17, where journalists got beaten up, people were manhandled physically, phone snatched, you believe your police force did an exceptional job?
BS Bassi: Whenever you are handling a law and order situation, you always handle the situation keeping in view the possible consequences. I will tell you why. When we are dealing with a law and order situation, we know that we can always use force. But whenever you use force, objective is not to kill, objective is not to cause injuries to people, objective is to disperse. That is why you have seen when you use water cannons invariably you use water cannons at places where people escaped routes. So that is why in open places, you use even lathi, you use even lathi, you use even tear gas, you use everything
Bhupendra Chaubey: But you are saying that your force did well?
BS Bassi: When you are dealing with law and order situation in confined places, tactics has to be different. In a confined place if you use force, people who are indulging in violence even...
Bhupendra Chaubey: Why you not use force against these three gentlemen. How could these three lawyers be present inside the court premises?
BS Bassi: If I had used tear gas, which is used to chase away the crowd, there is no place to chase away the crowd.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You know these are the three people indulging in constant arson, constant problem making, mischief making.
BS Bassi: They have already been summoned.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Only summoned now. If something had happened on February 15 and if they did not appear before you on February 16 and if they again appear in the court room, don't you think sir, surely if you would have picked up these gentlemen may be this situation would not have happened?
BS Bassi: When you are dealing with a situation like use of force. You said why didn't you use the force -- I will tell you why. If I had used lathi, if I had chased people, the troublemakers would have perhaps also run away. And when you are chasing, you should have place to disperse. When you are in a closed space like Patiala House court, there people will have no place to disperse and we have experiences. And police experience throughout the country is if you use force in a closed place, trouble creators may escape, the other innocent bystanders invariably become the victim. For instance, if you remember what happened in the 80s in Tis Hazari court when police indulged in lathi charge in a closed place, the trouble creators reportedly had escaped and police used force against people who were innocent bystanders and even the judicial officers got injury. Then what happened at Jaipur High Court, what happened in the Allahabad High Court, what happened in Madras High Court. When police use force, trouble creators had escaped, litigants, senior lawyers -- they all became the victims of the police force. And if you remember what happened at Maruti, again it was a closed space, when force was used against the labourers, the consequences were far more serious.
Bhupendra Chaubey: So much easier for the reporters to be beaten up, for lawyers to indulge in this game and police with sit back because police believes if you act, it will deteriorate.
BS Bassi: The beating of reporter is a very serious issue. That is why we intervened and that is how reporters could continue to report and on February 15 if the reporters have been beaten and if I may say subdued then they would not have reported on February 15. Because of our intervention..
Bhupendra Chaubey: I think the definition of what is beating is very different from police point of view and ordinary citizens' point of view. You believe it's a scuffle, someone slap someone is a scuffle, someone pushes someone is a scuffle, but for me it's an act of beating.
BS Bassi: Mediaperson getting even a slap, even a push is a very serious incident. That is why we intervened and we ensured the media could kept continued with their reporting on February 15. The media could also continue reporting on February 17.
Bhupendra Chaubey: All my viewers are asking me this one question that is Mr Bassi acting at the behest of the Centre. Are you a stooge, a pawn of the Centre?
BS Bassi: No, not at all. We are acting as per the best, prudent policing practices.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You are not taking orders from the Home Minister, are you not trying to create a political issue for the BJP?
BS Bassi: In a closed place like Patiala House court, use of tear gas would have disrupted the judicial functioning of all the courts because the tear gas would have gone inside all the court rooms. It would have caused problems not only to the litigants, lawyers but also to all the judicial officers. It would have disrupted the functioning of the judicial courts in Patiala which in any case is a congested place.
Secondly, use of lathi would have resulted in lot of injuries to the bystanders including the court staff, judicial officers and litigants. So, non-use of lathi was a desirable proposition. The place is anyway unsuitable for force.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You are about to be retiring. Tell me this entire incident -- do you not regret this? Would you not look at this as black mark on your CV?
BS Bassi: Unless you understand the policing, unless you try to see the consequences which could have been because of use of force, three persons trying to create problems. If I start beating anybody and everybody in Patiala House, I think that will be the most inappropriate.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You say your force handled it well. Whatever may have happened your force handled it strategically.
BS Bassi: We have kept various groups at bay, people with different views at bay. Whatever that unfortunate incident where mediapersons were heckled and attacked, that is why we ensured that after that particular incident the media could continue reporting without any interference.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Do you not believe that this situation could have been handled very differently. This entire situation - whether it is filing of sedition case, whether what happened at Patiala House court. Do you believe that somewhere down the line you made a mistake or you followed the law?
BS Bassi: You mentioned two things - sedition case. Non-registration of a sedition case would have been disastrous. It would have been a disastrous action on my part.
Bhupendra Chaubey: In future any one in Delhi goes to Jantar Mantar, he/she will face similar consequences?
BS Bassi: If he transgresses the domain of Section 124 A then he will face 124 A. If he stays with the confine of the Section, then there is nothing
Bhupendra Chaubey: You are retiring from your post, I understand there is a new post which is already being prepared for you that you are about to be given some retirement benefit by the Centre. Is it true?
BS Bassi: I do not know I got into IPS. I am a product of a Municipal school, always I had a fire in my belly to work hard. From a Municipal school, I went to a government school, from a government school I went to Sri Ram College of Commerce. I took my IPS exams at twenty-and-half, I cleared it in my first attempt. I got into IPS becasue I wanted to serve my nation. I have served my nation with distinction for 38 years. My first posting was in Pondicherry, from Pondicherry itself I was sent to Arunachal.
Bhupendra Chaubey: The allegation is you have been rewarded with the Information Commissioner post for the services you have rendered to the Centre. Is that true or not?
BS Bassi: I have served for my country. I have served for my conscience, I have served for servinf the poorer of the poorest, I have served for giving justice.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You have served political parties as well?
BS Bassi: I am sorry. The allegations are incorrect.
Bhupendra Chaubey: The allegations is you are completely under the thumb of the BJP and the Centre.
BS Bassi: For your information I must tell you, I was appointed by Congress government.
Bhupendra Chaubey: You sensed which way the direction is going. The BJP now till 2019, you have now aligned with the BJP
BS Bassi: I served in Goa for two-and-half years and I have served with distinction. Wherever I have gone, I have told truth. Crime has doubled during my time. Which police officer will say that crime is increasing during my tenure.
Bhupendra Chaubey: Do you have any regrets about it during your tenure as Delhi Police Commissioner?
BS Bassi: As long as I serve my nation to the best of my ability, I will have no regrets. i have served in Delhi Police with good conscience, with honesty. I have no regrets whatsoever. As long as I can serve my nation, I will serve my nation.
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